> I open, it is an opening hand. Somebody mentioned "styles" of opponents. > My guess is that it has nothing to do with thus hand, because this is an > opening hand that everybody and their dog would open.
> > On Jul 26, 2:35 am, castigamatti <brcastigama...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 26, 1:49 am, HoneyMonster <some...@someplace.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:28:11 -0700, TWOferBRIDGE wrote: > >>>> On Jul 25, 5:40 pm, paul <paulh...@infi.net> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 25, 2:17 pm, "Art Hoffman" <ar...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>>>>> BBO teams, both vul., 2/1. Tied match with this and another to go. > >>>>>> J, A8xxx, AQxxxx, x. > >>>>>> (P) P (P) ? > >>>>>> Would you open? And if so, with what? > >>>>> Definitely; my instinct says 1D or 2D but I think I'll go with 1H. > >>>>> Bidding diamonds is apt to be better over the expected competition in > >>>>> spades, but we may miss a heart game if I don't open 1H. > >>>>> There was a thread some time ago on BBO which cited a study that the > >>>>> "Rule of 15" is worthless as a guide to going plus in 4th seat; best > >>>>> results were to open sound Goren 13 counts, regardless of spade length > >>>>> or shortage. This one counts 14 (ignoring the stiff Jack) with 2.5 > >>>>> quick tricks, so pass should not be given serious consideration. > >>>> 88888888888888888888888888888888888888 Besides failing Rule-of-15, and > >>>> thus possibly losing to Opps' Spade partscore, the hand also fails > >>>> Rule-of-18 = # of hcp + # of Sp AND Hts. > >>>> If I did Open, it would be 1H on this one. > >>> I couldn't care less about how the Walruses count their points. Absent > >>> Spades, I wouldn't open this in fourth chair without an Ace or a KQ more. > >> Well...it's what you are counting that counts. For instance... your > >> partner is counting on you counting but you are not counting much on > >> counting, so in the end your partner is the one miscounting by > >> thinking you are counting and therefore it would have been better for > >> him not to be counting. So...yes, you are right, counting does not > >> count much.
> >> BR
> > On the other hand...you were both counting.
> > BR
> What partner counts > does not count > because if I pass > this board is passé
> > BBO teams, both vul., 2/1. Tied match with this and another to go.
> > J, A8xxx, AQxxxx, x.
> > (P) P (P) ?
> If everyone else knows how to open, it's our hand to play at 3D, > maybe 3H, maybe even a nice superfit for game.
If we have a superfit then the opponents do also, and I fear we will end up defending a spade contract. I agree that it is probably our hand to play in 3-red, but can we stop there after (opponents silent) P-1H; 1S-2D; 2S-3D?
> > Would you open? And if so, with what?
> 1H, majors first.
At MPs I have to open 1H, but at teams I take the better part of valor and pass. What am I giving up? I should think a partial at most.
1 2 | The Midnight Skulker 9 * 3 aka Van Lewis aka cvlewi...@gmail.com 6
> > > BBO teams, both vul., 2/1. Tied match with this and another to go.
> > > J, A8xxx, AQxxxx, x.
> > > (P) P (P) ?
> > If everyone else knows how to open, it's our hand to play at 3D, > > maybe 3H, maybe even a nice superfit for game.
> If we have a superfit then the opponents do also, and I fear we will > end up defending a spade contract. I agree that it is probably our > hand to play in 3-red, but can we stop there after (opponents silent) > P-1H; 1S-2D; 2S-3D?
> > > Would you open? And if so, with what?
> > 1H, majors first.
> At MPs I have to open 1H, but at teams I take the better part of valor > and pass. What am I giving up? I should think a partial at most.
> 1 2 > | The Midnight Skulker > 9 * 3 aka Van Lewis > aka cvlewi...@gmail.com > 6
> On 28 July, 16:33, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> > wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 10:39 am, John Crinnion <jcrinn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On 27 July, 16:39, Co Wiersma <jf.wier...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > > John Crinnion schreef:
> > > > > On 25 July, 20:17, "Art Hoffman" <ar...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >> BBO teams, both vul., 2/1. Tied match with this and another to go.
> > > > >> J, A8xxx, AQxxxx, x.
> > > > >> (P) P (P) ?
> > > > >> Would you open? And if so, with what?
> > > > > I like the various suggestions above, but would be tempted to open 1S.
> > > > > A hand like this has all the makings of a psych.
> > > > > If it goes right, brilliant!
> > > > > If it goes wrong, blame fate.
> > > > > If Partner argues, blame him - for joining in the auction or not as > > > > > the case may be.
> > > > I guess that partner will support your spades and opponents will be > > > > happy to let you play spades undoubled :)
> > > > Co Wiersma-
> > > 2 opponents, 1 partner . . . let's see, that's TWO to ONE AGAINST.
> > > But if he does bid spades, and they double, you have two suits to > > > retreat to.
> > > It may also be that one opponent has such a good spade holding, he > > > would be too scared to double.
> > So you get to play Spades undoubled and minimize your minus score? How > > is that better than passing and getting no minus score?
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> It's a psych, for heaven's sake... predicated on a gamble of the > opponents thinking "He wouldn't dare/be so silly."- Hide quoted text -
I have probably psyched as much as anyone on here. This is a pointless, stupid gamble. The upside of this hand is that you might have a game in one of your suits and your bid does nothing to go in that direction. By the time you have sorted out your bidding what the heck is partner going to think? It isn't the opponents you have to worry about.
> On 25 July, 20:17, "Art Hoffman" <ar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > BBO teams, both vul., 2/1. Tied match with this and another to go.
> > J, A8xxx, AQxxxx, x.
> > (P) P (P) ?
> > Would you open? And if so, with what?
> I like the various suggestions above, but would be tempted to open 1S.
> A hand like this has all the makings of a psych.
> If it goes right, brilliant!
> If it goes wrong, blame fate.
> If Partner argues, blame him - for joining in the auction or not as > the case may be.
I think if you bid spades, then hearts, and then bid and rebid diamonds, the opponents might figure out that you don't have 15 cards. I seems a stretch to think that you can psyche a spade, find a fit and still keep the opponents in the dark. And, if you can't do that, what's the point of the psyche.
If you just want to keep the opponents out out spades a pass is sufficient, and gives a sure non-negative score
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