> Playing standard american, 1NT = 15-17HCP: > Are the following auctions game forcing?
> 1NT 2C (stayman) > 2S 3C (natural)
As Will wrote, this depends on your other agreements. You need to be able to bid clubs a) forcing, and b) signoff. If either of those is not shown by other agreements, this is the sequence that shows it. If both are covered by other sequences, then this one is probably forcing playing strong NT (but probably non-forcing playing weak).
> 1NT 2D (transfer) > 2H 3C (natural)
This would normally be game-forcing, absent special agreement to the contrary.
Remember, too, that some pairs allow a "game-forcing" auction to die in 4m if nobody has extras and a stopper is missing. If that's the general agreement, it would presumably apply to the above two sequences.
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On Jul 28, 8:37 pm, judyorcarl <judyorc...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I left a bid after the auction. I meant to talk about 1N-2D; 2H-3C; ?
> It seems playable for opener to be able to bid 3H with any bare > minimum and for responder to be able to pass. The point is that > opener could have bid 3D or 3S with a max. And responder could bid 3S > over opener's distressed 3H as a sort of artificial last train for > slam.
It's too late to bid 3H now - partner's going to assume I'm showing 3 hearts and asking responder to choose between NT or heart games
On Jul 29, 4:55 pm, derek <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 8:37 pm, judyorcarl <judyorc...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > I left a bid after the auction. I meant to talk about 1N-2D; 2H-3C; ?
> > It seems playable for opener to be able to bid 3H with any bare > > minimum and for responder to be able to pass. The point is that > > opener could have bid 3D or 3S with a max. And responder could bid 3S > > over opener's distressed 3H as a sort of artificial last train for > > slam.
> It's too late to bid 3H now - partner's going to assume I'm showing 3 > hearts and asking responder to choose between NT or heart games
Not if you have a conventional agreement otherwise.
Fred. wrote: > On Jul 27, 3:51 pm, Phil <psugar...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Playing standard american, 1NT = 15-17HCP:
> > Are the following auctions game forcing?
> > 1NT 2C (stayman) > > 2S 3C (natural)
> > 1NT 2D (transfer) > > 2H 3C (natural)
> > Thanks very much.
> The SAYC pamplet treats a new suit after a transfer is accepted as > natural and game forcing. I think some SA players would play
> 1NT 2D > 2H 2S
> as an invitational 2-suiter, and bid
> 1NT 2H > 2S 3H
> with the strong hand.
> SAYC also plays 2S as a weak relay to 2C which responder passes or > corrects to 2D, while playing the direct 3C and 3D bids as > invitational,
> That leaves 3m in a Stayman sequence as forcing, at least to 3NT or 4 > of a minor.
> Fred.
Fred, the way I learned "standard" is as you described. The rule of thumb that you could use to describe it is that you don't bid a new suit on the three level unless you want to go places.
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